Create Belonging

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When I’m asked about what it’s like to be in an interfaith marriage, one of the things that I’ll often say is that it feels lonely.

This is a fairly multi-faceted kind of loneliness. I sometimes feel lonely in the marriage. It can be hard to be in a relationship where you have different religious beliefs. There are aspects of my life where I feel less connected to my husband now that we no longer share a faith.

But I have also experienced a more profound loneliness in the Church. While interfaith marriage continues to be more common, it is rarely acknowledged in most church services. Small groups are often geared toward married or single people, but if you’re a part of an interfaith marriage, it can feel like you don’t fit in either group. Often non-believers are treated as a monolithic group, and as someone who cares about her spouse, it can be hurtful to see attitudes about how to “fix” my husband being offered without any effort given to know him.

I know that Jason as an atheist has similar experiences. Times where, in our almost exclusively Christian social and familial circles, he is the lone, “token” atheist.

All of this can lead to a sense of not having a place where we fit in.

And yet, when I step back, I can see how we are welcomed into one another’s groups.

Last night I attended the local atheist group with Jason. We met in a couples’ home, where we ate pasta with home-grown tomato sauce and the most delicious quiche I’ve ever tasted. We drank wine and talked about the Carl Sagan book that they were reading this month. Despite the fact that everyone in the group knows that I am still a Christian, I feel genuinely welcomed when I attend this group. I never have the sense that they’re uncomfortable with me being there or with my contributions to the discussions. I feel accepted.

A couple of weeks ago, Jason attended my church with me. Our drummer was unable to attend due to the weather, so they invited Jason to play the drums for the service. Despite knowing that he is an atheist, he was welcomed to participate in a way that he was able. He was given an opportunity to contribute his talents to the church, even though he does not share our beliefs. He was accepted.

There is something powerful about a sense of belonging. When our shortcomings, real or perceived, are known and we are accepted anyway, that is a more authentic expression of love than any words that can be said.

It is easy to tend toward exclusivity. When we exclude others, we can certainly build a community of like-minded people and that feels safe. We can feel as though we will be accepted, and if we make the cut, there’s an element of truth to that. When a group is exclusive, it does guarantee a certain level of acceptance, but it is limited in that acceptance.

However, when we choose to include those who are outside of our group in a truly welcoming manner, we open ourselves up to a much deeper acceptance. While it can feel great to make the cut, it is far more wonderful to know that you can belong even if you deviate from the party line. There is a much stronger sense of belonging that can develop when you know that you are accepted no matter what.

When Jason and I see one another being accepted by our respective communities, it gives us a stronger sense of belonging not just to the other’s group, but to our own. Knowing that the person that we love the most is accepted is one of the best ways for us to feel accepted as well.

It can feel strange to go into situations where you are the odd person out. Go anyway.

It can stretch us to embrace those who are different from us. Stretch yourself.

When we offer a space in which others can belong, we create more space for ourselves as well. Create belonging.

  • Jenn Short

    It’s also lonely being in church and single when you are 40. Churches that separate by age group / marital status don’t know what to do with you. I even had one woman tell me once that I shouldn’t be with people my own age because I “couldn’t understand”. I’ve come to the conclusion that misfits like me who aren’t married just don’t belong anywhere except maybe in a nunnery. :(

    • http://www.alise-write.com Alise Wright

      Yup. Being single in church is often not acceptable in any kind of practical way. Doing the “single on Sunday” thing definitely has made me more aware of that problem.

      Also, let’s definitely get together soon (but not this Sunday, because I’ve got a gig right after church).

      • Jenn Short

        Yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot about you lately. I think my blog may be starting to be a spiritual journey journal of sorts for me. I’m really wishing I could find a place where I can find community. I was telling a friend that the other day in an e-mail. I care some about the teachings of the church, but need to feel a part of things. I love, love, love the kids in my Wednesday night class, but sometimes feel awkward when I’m there as a student and old enough to be their mother because I’m single, so where do they stick me? Certainly not able to put me in MOPS, can’t put me in marriage enrichment. I have found community to a point, but I was talking to a kid last week and made a joke where I was telling him I once did my hair almost bald and said, “I had the Sinead O’Conner thing going on myself for a short time” and he looked at me and said “Nevermind, before you were born.” Don’t know how often you visit my blog, but I only blog occasionally, but look for a faith post about once a week these days. I’ve been mulling over a post about my first ever Ash Wednesday service, and have it written, will be posting it later this week. Been reading a lot of spiritual memoirs lately. I need to get a copy of Still. Been wanting to read that one for a while. Just finished “Jesus Girls” and loved it, although I’m sure it helped that i had two friends published in that anthology. :)

    • Monika Jankun-Kelly

      What did she imagine you won’t understand? Love, faith, friendship, pain, life, what? I don’t recall being handed The Secret Manual of Stuff Married Peeps Know. Yeah, a marriage bond is somewhat different than a deep, lifelong friendship, and the experience of having kids gives parents some insights us childless folk don’t have. So what? I’m not totally alien and unfathomable to the single, just as parents are not some great big mystery to me. We can relate to and try to understand those whose experiences we haven’t had, it’s not that big a deal. That woman was a jerk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sarahnmoon Sarah Moon

    I love this. I’m also in a currently interfaith relationship. Both of us are trying to figure out what we believe and we always seem to be going in opposite directions. Even though we love and support each other’s journeys, sometimes it’s sad when I find an image of God that I can believe in and Abe just doesn’t get it. Or when he finds freedom in the idea that God doesn’t exist and it only leaves me confused. But we’ve found a church that first of all welcomes us both, knowing where we’re at. Going together helps us find common ground in that we all believe in justice, interdependence, love, etc.

    • http://www.alise-write.com Alise Wright

      It is a weird thing. Because so often it’s not a big deal, but when it is, it IS. I’m glad that you found a place where you both feel like you fit in. That can be such a blessing. I hope that more churches make that change.

  • Emily_Maynard

    Alise!
    Wright!
    Alise!
    Wright!

    It stuff like this, right here, that makes me so excited to squee like a Tween Belieber and hug you at Sacred Friendships. It’s gonna happen, so I’m just warning you now.

    One of my best friends is male and an atheist. And while we had some pretty rough times there as we both lost the faith of our youth and ended up in vastly different places, the level of respect and trust we have now is so good. We had to stop talking and then talking about religion for a long time, but now we find ourselves constantly affirming each other’s lives. And we’re both opening up again to hearing each other’s faith stories. Of course, there is always some desire on both sides to believe similar things, but we stopped trying to control each other’s journeys. We don’t need to have the same understanding or practice of faith to love each other. We are on the same team and I’m so proud of him and he is proud of me.

    My Christian faith is better because he’s in my life, and his beliefs are better because I’m in his. We celebrate common ground and friendship above all. I am so grateful for him, for his honesty and curiosity, for his dogged support of my health and faith.

    Thank you for this call to welcome each other at tables, to find camaraderie in unexpected places, and to above all, practice love. It makes me want to high five everyone.

    • http://www.alise-write.com Alise Wright

      So excited for April! It’s going to be all kinds of awesome.

      And yes – I feel like my life is far more full now than it was before. I don’t love the circumstances, but there have been benefits to this change. Last night one of the women at the meeting asked if I knew any atheists before Jason came out and honestly, I could name one, and he wasn’t someone that I knew very well. I’m grateful for the relationships that I’ve had the chance to make over the past 3 years and the way this has challenged my views about what it means to love people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

    *smile* I wrote a thoughtful, in-depth comment but it was too long. It’ll probably end up being one of my blog posts someday.

    Jenn – our best friends are single women and my cross-gender friendships with those women has lasted 20+ years in many cases — much longer than their romantics.

    Sarah – Sometimes I think the journeys my wife and I are on are running in totally opposite directions, only to realize years later than we were just journeying opposite directions around a circle.

    Alise – I wish we could all embrace “I don’t know”. As long as it doesn’t lose out to “I don’t care”.

    I pray the Holy Spirit fills in the thoughtful, in-depth part, for it is my intent that my brief words float within a whitespace of Love.

    • http://www.alise-write.com Alise Wright

      I look forward to reading your post! Make sure you send it to me so I don’t miss it!

    • Jenn Short

      Jim, that’s wonderful. I often feel like couples don’t want me around because I’m not a part of a couple and they don’t know what to do with me. Um, maybe just be my friend? Is it just me or am I thinking couples are totally missing out on a LOT by not friending singles — hey, aren’t we the ones they usually call first for a last minute baby sitter? ha ha!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

        They have no idea what they are missing out on! My life is enriched in countless ways by my biking buddies, dancing buddies, happy hour buddies, writing buddies, cooking buddies, having-lunch-and-laughing buddies, taking-a-walk-and-crying buddies ,,, covenant, sacred friendships that last a lifetime … and beyond.

        • Jenn Short

          You don’t happen to live near Alise, do you? ha ha! I sometimes feel so lonely, and sometimes I feel like with little interaction with children I am missing out on so much. My “niece” was in from being a missionary kid over Christmas and the moment she saw me she ran to me and wouldn’t let go. I just picked her up (not so easy to do now that she’s in 2nd grade) and put her on my lap. She sat there for the longest time, flashed me a toothy grin and said, “Okay, that hug was long enough.” :) I sometimes feel so isolated and long for friendships I had in high school and college where it didn’t seem like things were so complicated as to gender, age, etc. I was even told by a church one time I couldn’t serve in ANY capacity because I was single and ministry is ONLY for married couples. Or at the very least I had to be a single mom. So then should I go out and get pregnant so I can get involved in ministry in a church? I for one am not going to be doing that!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

            The last third of your comment has the empath in me swearing and angry. That is so effing wrong. *applying duct tape over mouth*

            Many of my friends are lifetime singles or are adjusting to that lifestyle after failed marriages … and are active in ministry, missions, non-profits, and are Stephen ministers and Spiritual Directors. One of the spunkier ones likes to preach that she doesn’t need no stinkin’ man to be complete. She is enough as she is, thankyouverymuch … and her friends can fill in the lonely corners when she need them to. And we do. And we love it!

            And this just came to me … don’t be afraid to ask … and to accept the gift of quality time together when it is offered.

          • Jenn Short

            Yeah, it feels like I’m just an unwanted leftover to church folk, at least at times. . . I have a whole heck of a lot more ministry training than a lot of people who do whatever in churches, and I feel so unwelcome to serve in some churches. I haven’t had a church home in about 10 years. . . I feel like a nomad wandering from place to place trying to fit in, but that’s going to start being the new focus of my blog, trying to find my way in a world that doesn’t seem to want me because one isn’t a whole number but a fraction. Hmmm that would make a great blog post title. . .

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

            Nomad wandering? Or just a free-range, cage-free, naturally-fed believer? Go for the blog post.

        • Monika Jankun-Kelly

          What Jim said! I can’t even imagine not having single friends, or as I call them, friends. I’ve never in my married life not had single friends. Are there really people who deliberately limit their social circle to married people only? Why? Why??? Is this in communities where everyone is pressured or expected to have kids in their early twenties or late teens? Is this in cultures where if you’re a single adult, it’s assumed something is wrong with you? Just so… puzzling.

  • http://ear-sword-miracle.blogspot.com/ Miles O’Neal

    This is awesome! I love that he got asked to play drums.

    I think Churches that mainly have groups for singles or marrieds, make a huge mistake. We need cross-culture groups, in every sense of the word “culture”. I realize many people seem to *want* a group of people in the same boat, but it’s a mistake, at least if that’s mostly what’s available. Sure, have a group for 25 year old couples with three year old kids, but meet once a month, and encourage them to get involved in some other group with less obvious commonality that meets once a month as well.

  • Monika Jankun-Kelly

    What a great many problems could be prevented if we just saw other people as fellow people rather than the Scary Other. Easier said than done, but so worth trying. I’ve found that as I grew more mature, and got to know and befriend the religious, many of my prejudices and stereotypes have been shattered. Great post, Alise. I am *thrilled* that your husband’s book group welcomes you as one of the group. I think they benefit from your thoughts and perspective. Echo chambers benefit no one. Finding common ground and having an interesting exchange of ideas benefits everyone. Sometimes I see blanket vitriol indiscriminately directed at all the religious in the forums I frequent, and it greatly upsets me. More people like Alise’s husband’s book club, please.

    Sometimes, I read your very sad and deeply personal posts about wishing her husband shared her faith. They make me want to say to the secular, validate her feelings, validate her, try to *understand* her, don’t dismiss, don’t blame, don’t snark, don’t get defensive. Just shut up for a moment about secular philosophy, it is no comfort to her. Know you might feel the same if your spouse radically changed beliefs, if something you once cherished together you now had to walk alone. Empathize with her longing, feel sad that she is hurting. Do not even presume to try to “fix” any of this. Appreciate that she loves her husband, and he loves her, that love coexists with profound difference. Rejoice that each finds friendship and acceptance in the other’s community. Find hope in this, be humbled by this, and think about what it implies. I feel like such an intruder reading the sad longing posts, since I’m not the religious target audience. Hope I have not offended by commenting.

    I have friends, married couple with kids, she is a recent convert, he is secular. I continue to be their friend. Haven’t changed how I treat her. Don’t think less of her (just quietly disagree with her in my head). Have never, ever even brought the subject up with either of them. Have NEVER dared question how they plan to raise their children now. (It dismays me that her youngest accepts religion because doubting mommy is unthinkable at that age, and mommy teaches religion. She chose freely as an adult, her child can’t. I have very strong convictions about what’s a suitable basis for right and wrong, for human relationships, for life, and what is less so. But. However. Full stop. Their kid, not mine. NOT my business. Her church friends are surely dismayed by her secular husband’s impact on the kids, and I wouldn’t want them butting in, so I don’t butt in.) I’ve seen they’re both good parents, and I trust them to continue to raise good kids. I sometimes wonder if she gets flak for converting, or he gets flak at her church for not converting. No idea. Should I say something, or just keep living it instead of saying it?

    Please allow me a mini rant about labels. I’m not fond of “atheist”. Wouldn’t it be really odd if Christians were labeled Those Who Do Not Believe In Werewolves? Christianity is not about werewolves, or lack thereof, it’s about Christ. Muslims, Hindus, Christians, and Rastafarians all share a lack of belief in werewolves, but I don’t lump them all together as awerewolfists. The majority in the States is Christian, and for them, God is the foundation of everything. I think it is only natural for those with a God-centric worldview to label us according to our atheism. Trouble is, that label lumps us all together, and is oft coupled with the belief that we have NO foundation for anything. We aren’t all the same, and we DO have a foundation. That foundation may be slightly different for a secular Buddhist, a Humanist, and a Universal Unitarian, but they each have a foundation, a Something, not a Nothing. What does “atheist” tell you about any of those foundations, those philosophies? Nothing useful, really. The two groups for whom atheist is a somewhat informative label are those who never found any foundation until they converted, and those who lost faith, did not find anything to replace it with, and went back to religion. Their voices are heard in religious circles, but that’s hardly the whole picture, that’s not most of us. We’d rather be defined by what we do have. Even those who don’t identify with any philosophy, those who have more questions than certainty, those who left religion and are still figuring out how to fill the resulting void, they can have purpose, meaning, ethics, love, awe, wonder, bliss, etc. Just my two cents about the label “atheist”. Other secular people disagree and happily self-identify as atheist. I just ask that we’re treated as individuals, with various philosophies, not some scary, mysterious, homogeneous atheist mass. Alise gets this. Wish more folks did.

    I sometimes feel bad about writing long, rambly posts, but please take my wordiness as a compliment. It means I fail at conciseness, but also that I find your blog very thought provoking! ;)

    • http://www.alise-write.com Alise Wright

      I always appreciate your thoughts, Monika. It means a lot to me that you stop by and interact.

      I recognize that “atheist” is a broad term and doesn’t speak to anything other than lack of faith, but I use it intentionally because I do think that someone who has chosen to use that word does so intentionally and I want to honor that decision. My husband uses atheist to describe his lack of faith and I want to honor that label that he has chosen. I know that it doesn’t mean much in the same way that Christian doesn’t mean much outside of one very narrow belief in the deity of Jesus of Nazareth. But it’s at least a starting point.

      And I’m grateful that overall, we’ve had really positive experiences of acceptance from our groups. We both try to be intentional about getting to know those who are important to the other, and I think that helps. It’s a lot easier to dismiss the “other” when you don’t know them.

      • Monika Jankun-Kelly

        Wow! I’ve never thought of “Christian” as a limiting term, but you’re right. I have thought for years that the difference between Christians and non-Christians is just belief in the divinity of Jesus. Yet when many people say “Christian”, they mean so much, much more, the word is loaded to bursting. And yet, you’re right, it is no worse nor better a label than “atheist”. Makes me feel much better! :D And your husband can self-identify however he likes, totally his decision. I was speaking only for myself and those with similar views, not for all atheists. :)

        If you do write a how-to or guide so people can avoid rudeness and social faux pas when their friends are interfaith couples, or just anyone with different beliefs, I would share the heck out of that post. It really should boil down to be a friend, not an ass, treat others as you’d want to be treated, but we all sometimes need this stuff spelled out for us. I think of you as the Emily Post of interfaith relationships. ;D

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

      Monika – Serious question. I don’t like labels either but I understand their usefulness in steering someone into a conversation about me or anyone else. I agree that “atheist” doesn’t say much of anything, carries with it a donkey-cartful of baggage, and doesn’t really stimulate empathy and openness. Does “free-range believer” work better? To me that evokes images of being cage-free, naturally fed, organically growing in your beliefs. I would want to know more and listen intently for hours to your story.

      • Monika Jankun-Kelly

        Thank you for asking, Jim. It’s so nice when someone asks. I’m sure some would really like “free-range believer”, and the connotations you listed are very nifty! Love the free-range bit, but I tend to avoid “believer” because of its link to faith. I’m an empiricist. I simply call myself “secular humanist”, if someone asks. I hope that puts the focus on “of the world”, rather than “not of religion”. In 30 odd years of life, I’ve had only a handful of people actually ask what humanist philosophy is. And of those, one dismissed altruism, compassion, fairness, mutuality, and prevention of suffering as “oh, you mean just be nice”. Another asked “Is that anything like Eastern philosophy?” *headdesk* *headdesk* Yet another, a dear family member, didn’t even bother to ask, just assumed she knew, and handed me a pamphlet about how I supposedly don’t believe in anything and my life is miserable and pointless. I don’t want to convert anyone, but do wish most people weren’t as ignorant as pamphlet person. So I gave much thought to how to answer the next time someone asks, and then the internet came along, and anyone can just google it. Oh well. In a nutshell… *takes a long breath*…

        I believe right and wrong are based on empathy, fairness, and caring for others as yourself, that the meaning and purpose of life are ours to decide, and are based on human relationships, human endeavors, that science is the best way to explain the origin of the universe and of life, but that those answers, while very interesting, aren’t really relevant to how I live my life, that evolution has shaped us, but free will affects character more than biology, that “perfection” is a concept, an ideal to strive for, but it’s unreachable, no human is “perfect”, so what, some flaws do not make us unworthy nor unlovable, there is no soul, no afterlife, a person is a mind and does not survive braindeath, and that’s not a problem, immortality isn’t actually that tempting, grief is a natural reaction to the loss of a loved one, but we can heal after grief without belief in the supernatural, life is no less worth living, full of joy, wonder, complexity, love, for being finite.

        Whew. That’s a long nutshell. Would be much if I cut all the stuff that’s just response to religion.

        Your free-range analogy is very apt when I think about how I arrived at these convictions. It was simply through living life. It’s not dogma from a book, not the teachings of some authority, although there are some fine humanist authors, now and throughout history, it’s all really just being human. Maybe “free-range thinker”? :)

        I’d like to read your thoughts, if you post them somewhere, but couldn’t find a link. Your name in blue just goes back to Alise’s blog.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447541059 Jim Fisher

          https://sites.google.com/site/holyhugs/

          Some quick backstory: I have had an NDE, so the afterlife is a very real personal experience, not a belief.

          20 years ago I was labelled as a Christian Mystic by a pastor who had known me for 20 minutes (during a pre-marital interview). I have spent much of my time since then trying to figure out what the heck he meant by that. Teresa of Ávila and I could have been siblings in a previous life.

          I live as deep into the mystery of it all as I can. Certainty is not something I seek. Empathy and love floats my boat.

          Ambivert and ambidextrous. I flunked the Myers-Briggs.

          • Monika Jankun-Kelly

            Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out. :) I think you experienced something quite unusual, and am glad you’re still here, but will point out since you are still here, you were never braindead. ;) We dream, we hallucinate, we get tunnel vision when losing consciousness, we experience calm, then euphoria, when dying of hypothermia, we enter altered mental states when meditating deeply or high on peyote, we think of our comforting loved ones when scared or hurting. I do not see evidence of the supernatural there, but rather biochemical, neurological, and psychological mechanisms. Definitely NOT denying your NDE at all, just explaining it differently. Now I’m sounding all argumentative, so I’ll shoosh. ;) All aboard the love and empathy boat!